How to Talk about Why Mattering Matters with Jennifer Breheny Wallace

Jennifer Breheny Wallace podcast with Dr. Robyn Silverman about Mattering
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Mini Synopsis:

In this episode, Dr. Robyn Silverman sits down with journalist and bestselling author Jennifer Wallace to discuss the powerful concept of mattering—the feeling that we are valued and that we add value to the world around us. Together they explore why mattering is a fundamental human need, how the erosion of mattering affects mental health, relationships, parenting, leadership, and resilience, and what we can do to restore connection and purpose in everyday life. The conversation offers practical and hopeful strategies for helping ourselves and others feel seen, needed, and significant.

INTRODUCTION:

We’re living in a time when loneliness is rising, burnout feels constant, and so many people—kids and adults alike—quietly wonder if they truly matter. We often blame social media, achievement pressure, or the pace of modern life, but what if there’s something deeper at play? In this episode, we explore the powerful idea that feeling valued—and having the opportunity to add value—is not just a nice extra in life, but a fundamental human need. We’ll talk about how the erosion of mattering is impacting our mental health, our families, and our workplaces, and most importantly, what we can do to restore deep connection and purpose in our everyday lives.

I’m thrilled to welcome back an insightful returning guest whose work continues to challenge the way we think about achievement, belonging, and what people truly need in order to thrive.

Bio:

Jennifer Breheny Wallace is an award-winning journalist and bestselling author whose work explores achievement culture, mental health, and the science of mattering. Her first book, Never Enough: When Achievement Culture Becomes Toxic — And What We Can Do About It, was a New York Times bestseller and an Amazon Best Book of the Year. Her new book, Mattering: The Secret to a Life of Deep Connection and Purpose, draws on six years of research and hundreds of interviews to reveal why feeling valued and able to add value is essential to our well-being. A former member of the 60 Minutes team and a graduate of Harvard College, Jennifer is also the founder of The Mattering Institute and a leading voice on connection, purpose, and cultural change.

 

Important Messages:

  • “The fastest way to feel like you matter is to remind someone else why they do.” Jennifer Wallace quote from the How to Talk to Kids about Anything podcast

    Mattering Is a Fundamental Human Need — Jennifer Wallace:
    “After food and shelter, the need to feel like we matter is one of the most powerful motivators in human life. It drives how we show up in the world—for better or for worse.”

    Mattering Goes Beyond Belonging — Jennifer Wallace:
    “You can belong to a group—a classroom, a workplace, even a family—and still not feel like you matter to the people in it.”

    When We Feel Like We Matter, We Give Back — Jennifer Wallace:
    “When we feel valued and know we can add value, we engage more, contribute more, and invest more deeply in others.”

    When People Feel Like They Don’t Matter, They Often Withdraw or Lash Out — Jennifer Wallace:
    “When we are made to feel like we don’t matter, we may withdraw into anxiety or depression—or lash out in anger in an effort to prove that we do.”

    People Need to Know Their Actions Make a Difference — Jennifer Wallace:
    “We all need to know that what we do matters. We need to close the loop and let people know when their words, actions, or support changed something for us.”

    Adding Value Builds Mattering — Jennifer Wallace:
    “If you’re wondering how to feel like you matter again, find a genuine need in the world around you and use your time, talent, or treasure to meet it.”

    Mattering Requires Balance — Jennifer Wallace:
    “True mattering means mattering to others and mattering to yourself. We need both.”

    Small Acts of Self-Care Can Help Us Matter to Ourselves — Jennifer Wallace:
    “Ask yourself: what is one small need I have today that I can meet for myself so I can show up as my best self for the people who rely on me?”

    We Need Corner People in Our Lives — Jennifer Wallace:
    “We all need people in our corner who encourage us, support us through setbacks, and celebrate with us when we succeed.”

    Joy Expands When We Invest in Others — Jennifer Wallace:
    “When we are genuinely invested in the lives of our friends, their joy becomes our joy too.”

    Relationships Build Resilience More Than Solo Self-Care — Jennifer Wallace:
    “You can’t self-care your way out of deep overwhelm. The most powerful source of resilience is relationships.”

    Sturdy Adults Need Sturdy Adults Too — Jennifer Wallace:
    “We know children need a sturdy adult to thrive—but sturdy adults need sturdy adults too.”

    Asking for Help Is an Act of Generosity — Jennifer Wallace:
    “When we ask for help, we’re not only giving ourselves support—we’re allowing someone else the chance to matter to us.”

    Life Transitions Can Shake Our Sense of Mattering — Jennifer Wallace:
    “Job loss, divorce, moving, grief, and other transitions can rattle our sense of mattering because mattering exists in relationship with other people.”

    Don’t Wait Until Life Is Perfect to Let People In — Jennifer Wallace:
    “We often think we need to get our life together before asking for help, but vulnerability is often what makes us more authentic and relatable to others.”

    The Fastest Way to Feel Like You Matter Is to Remind Someone Else That They Do — Jennifer Wallace:
    “If you are struggling to feel valued, start by adding value. Remind someone else why they matter.”

    Turning Away from the Mirror Can Restore Purpose — Dr. Robyn Silverman:
    “Sometimes we need to stop focusing on how we look or how we’re perceived and instead reconnect with what we contribute—because that’s where so much of our sense of meaning lives.”

    List-Checking Can Rob Us of Joy — Dr. Robyn Silverman:
    “When we move too quickly from one milestone to the next without celebrating or letting it land, we miss the joy and meaning of what we’ve accomplished.”

    Investing in Others Helps Us Grow Beyond Ourselves — Jennifer Wallace:
    “Being a corner person means extending your care, your energy, and your joy into the life of someone else—and that’s one of the ways we build a meaningful life.”

    You Are One Decision Away from Feeling Like You Matter Again — Jennifer Wallace:
    “You have agency. You are one action, one decision, one moment of contribution away from getting back on the path to mattering.”

Notable Quotables:

  • “You can’t self-care your way out of deep overwhelm. The most powerful source of resilience is relationships.” Quote by Jennifer Breheny Wallace on the How to Talk to Kids about Anything podcast with Dr. Robyn Silverman“After food and shelter, it is the need to feel like we matter that drives human behavior.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “You can belong to a group and still not feel like you matter to the people in it.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “When we feel valued, we engage, contribute, and invest in others.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “When we are made to feel like we don’t matter, we either withdraw or lash out.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “We need to know that our actions made a difference.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “Adding value means finding a need and using your time, talent, or treasure to meet it.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “True mattering requires mattering to others and mattering to yourself.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “What is one small need I have today that I can meet for myself?”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “We need corner people in our lives.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “So much of my joy comes from delighting in the successes of my friends.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “The only thing that really feeds resilience is relationships.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “Sturdy adults need sturdy adults too.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “Asking for help is an act of generosity.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “Don’t wait for your life to be perfect before you let people in.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “The fastest way to feel like you matter is to remind someone else why they do.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

    “Turning away from the mirror and toward contribution can help restore purpose.”
    — Dr. Robyn Silverman

    “Sometimes we breeze past our milestones and miss the joy of what we’ve done.”
    — Dr. Robyn Silverman

    “You are one decision away from being back on the path to mattering.”
    — Jennifer Wallace

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