“We are in a super sucky moment right now—it’s hard to smile- but what we can hold close is the optimism. We can hold close that if we invest in ourselves and invest in others, that that will sustain us beyond the super-sucky moment. That’s what I call joy.” Dr. Robyn Silverman of How to Talk to Kids about Anything interviews Dr. Janice Johnson Dias, author of Parent Like it Matters, on her parenting podcast. They discuss raising joyful, optimistic, change-making girls.