Podcast: Play in new window | Download
Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | RSS | More
How to Break the Boy Code So We Can Raise Resilient Boys
Mini Synopsis
In this episode, Dr. Robyn Silverman talks with child and adolescent psychotherapist Dr. Katie Hurley about the silent pressures shaping the emotional lives of boys today. Together, they unpack the boy code and the man box, how bullying has evolved in the digital age, the dangers of emotional suppression, why the upstander model has largely failed and what sidestander support looks like, how to help boys build real confidence and meaningful friendships, and what parents and educators can do right now to raise boys who are resilient, empathetic, and fully human.
Introduction:
We have spent years talking about raising strong boys. But what does strength actually mean for the boys in our lives right now? Boys today are navigating a world that still tells them to suck it up, never cry, and fake it till they make it, even as the research shows us clearly that suppressing emotion doesn’t make boys strong. It makes them sick. The suicide rate for boys is three and a half times that of girls. Boys are falling behind academically, socially, and emotionally. And yet we keep sending the same messages. Today’s conversation is about breaking that cycle. Not by telling boys there is something wrong with them, but by changing the narrative around what it means to be a boy. Because boys don’t need to be fixed. They need to be understood, supported, and given permission to be fully human.
Short Bio:
Dr. Katie Hurley, LCSW, DSW, is a child and adolescent psychotherapist, parenting educator, public speaker, and author of five books. With over 25 years of clinical experience, she is Vice President of Community Initiatives at The Jed Foundation, where she works in cities, municipalities, and community-based organizations on youth mental health. Her books include No More Mean Girls, The Happy Kid Handbook, The Depression Workbook for Teens, and her newest release, Breaking the Boy Code: The New Playbook for Raising Resilient Boys. The book examines the societal pressures and harmful messages about masculinity that are impacting boys’ mental health, academic performance, and social relationships, and delivers practical, research-backed strategies for parents, educators, coaches, and caregivers working with boys ages 5 to 15.
Important Messages:
The Soft Landing Is One of the Most Powerful Tools You Have — Dr. Robyn Silverman
When a boy comes home from school and flops into a chair, that moment matters. Dr. Robyn’s own son does it daily — and she treats it as one of the most important times of the day. No interrogation, no achievement checklist. Just presence and a willingness to listen.
The Boy Code Is the Junior Version of the Man Box — Dr. Katie Hurley
Research on the man box shows that men in the US, UK, and Mexico largely agree that men should be stoic, strong, providers, and problem-solvers. When Dr. Hurley asked boys the same kinds of questions, she got similar answers in modern language: don’t cry, be strong, suck it up, never show sensitivity, never rat anyone out. These are the unspoken rules that boys are already following by middle school.
Boys Are Allowed to Show Anger, and That’s About It — Dr. Katie Hurley
Dr. Hurley’s own teenage son reviewed her research and added one key insight: you can never show anything but anger. All other emotions — sadness, fear, vulnerability, hurt — fall outside the boy code. That narrow emotional lane is causing serious harm.
Stop Only Photographing Achievements — Dr. Robyn Silverman
We photograph trophies, medals, and awards — but rarely the moment a child showed kindness or helped a friend. Pinning those moments on a bulletin board and pointing back to them — “this is one of your strengths” — builds a richer, more accurate highlight reel than any trophy ever could.
Bullying Programs Have Not Moved the Needle — Dr. Katie Hurley
A recent meta-analysis of bullying programs found that despite decades of zero-tolerance policies, pledge campaigns, and bully-free initiatives, the numbers are essentially unchanged. The type of bullying has evolved — it now happens everywhere digitally, including school-issued Chromebooks, Zoom, Google Docs, and gaming chats — but the interventions have not kept up.
Sidestanders Are More Effective Than Upstanders — Dr. Katie Hurley
We have spent years telling kids to stand up to bullies. But going head-to-head with a bully is exceptionally hard, and it rarely works. A sidestander approach — making eye contact with a targeted peer, walking over, and quietly saying “Hey, we’re over here, let’s go” — is lower risk, more natural, and more likely to actually happen.
We Need to Move From “Boys Will Be Boys” to “How Does It Need to Be?” — Dr. Robyn Silverman
The old refrain has given boys a pass for too long. The real question isn’t what boys have always done — it’s what boys need to actually thrive. That shift in framing changes everything about how we parent, coach, and teach them.
Boys Need a Soft Landing When They Come Home — Dr. Katie Hurley
Too many boys come home from school and are immediately peppered with questions about homework, grades, and practice. They need to flop first. When boys hide behind locked doors, it is often the only place they feel no pressure. A soft landing — unstructured time, no interrogation, just presence — is one of the most powerful tools a parent has.
Ask “How’s Your Mental Health?” Instead of “How Are You?” — Dr. Katie Hurley
Dr. Hurley uses this question with her own family and friends to normalize mental health conversation. When her husband models an honest answer in front of their son, it teaches the boy that naming how you feel is not weakness — it is just how people in this family talk.
The Suicide Rate for Boys Is Three and a Half Times That of Girls — Dr. Katie Hurley
Dr. Hurley works in this field daily, and this statistic does not surprise her — which is itself alarming. Boys are not given enough permission to cry, vent, or simply be with someone. The consequences of that silence are severe and measurable.
Relational Aggression Is Not a Girls’ Issue — Dr. Katie Hurley
The work of Rosalind Wiseman put relational aggression — manipulation, rumor-spreading, social hierarchies — on the map as a girls’ issue. But boy world is full of the same dynamics. Boys climb and fall social hierarchies too, and sometimes push others down just to maintain their standing.
Reframe Masculinity Starting at Age Six — Dr. Katie Hurley
Around age six, boys begin absorbing the messages of the boy code. That is when the work needs to begin. The masculine narrative can be broad, full of compassion and relational leadership. The goal is not to make boys into something they are not — it is to expand what being a boy is allowed to mean.
Listen More Than You Speak — Dr. Katie Hurley
When you ask a boy a real question and then sit back and genuinely listen, you get access to a world you might not fully understand. That is not a failure of parenting — it is an invitation. The boys who feel heard are the boys who keep coming back.
Notable Quotables:
“The suicide rate for boys is three and a half times that of girls right now. That doesn’t surprise me, and I wish it did.”
— Dr. Katie Hurley
“There is a different approach that needs to be taught — less ‘look at me, I’m saving the day,’ and more of literally a whisper rather than a yell.”
— Dr. Robyn Silverman
“We have got to get home, school, and community on the same page about definitions of bullying, empathy, and compassion. Shared definitions, shared expectations — that is how culture changes.”
— Dr. Katie Hurley
“I don’t ask ‘How are you?’ I ask ‘How’s your mental health?’ I do it with my friends. I do it in my home. I’m trying to normalize it out in the world.”
— Dr. Katie Hurley
“Boys don’t need to be fixed. They need to be understood, supported, and given permission to be fully human.”
— Dr. Robyn Silverman
“The upstander model is hard. It’s exceptionally hard to go head-to-head with a bully. What I shifted to about five years ago is the sidestander. Just walk by, make eye contact, and say ‘Hey, we’re over here. Let’s go.’”
— Dr. Katie Hurley
“What makes you someone that other people want to spend their time with? That question stops kids in their tracks — because the answer is never about baseball or math.”
— Dr. Katie Hurley
“I feel like I’m getting taught something all the time now by my kids. Sometimes it’s a hard pill to swallow — the way we know things or do things isn’t always the right way right now.”
— Dr. Robyn Silverman
“We have such an opportunity to say the masculine narrative can be open — full of compassion, full of relational leadership. Work together. Don’t compete against each other.”
— Dr. Katie Hurley
“Listen more than you speak. When you ask a boy a question and really listen, you’ll get a whole lot of information into a world you might not truly understand.”
— Dr. Katie Hurley
Resources:
Dr. Katie Hurley ↓
-
Website: PracticalKatie.com
-
Instagram: @drkatiehurleylcsw
-
Book: Breaking the Boy Code: The New Playbook for Raising Resilient Boys | No More Mean Girls | The Happy Kid Handbook | The Depression Workbook for Teens
Dr. Robyn Silverman ↓
- Website: DrRobynSilverman.com
- Podcast: How to Talk to Kids about Anything
- Book: How to Talk to Kids about Anything: Tips, Scripts, Stories, and Steps to Make Even the Toughest Conversations Easier
- Instagram: @dr.robynsilverman
Facebook: Dr. Robyn J.A. Silverman
YouTube: Dr. Robyn Silverman - Bluesky: Dr. Robyn Silverman- Parenting
Turn Small Talks into Big Lessons- FAST.
Fun prompts, zero prep, real growth. From courage and kindness to mindset and resilience, each card sparks skills that matter. And the best part? Kids love them. Build character, strengthen connection, and make every moment count—one question at a time.
What Are These Cards?
KIDVERSATION CARDS These aren’t ordinary cards. Created by Child Development Specialist and “Conversation Doc” Dr. Robyn Silverman, Kidversation Cards make meaningful conversation simple. Each one taps into the 6 Cs—Confidence, Competence, Contribution, Caring, Character, and Connection—a proven framework for helping kids thrive. Fun for kids and easy for parents, they spark quick talks that build lasting skills and memories.











